Speeding Legal Question ?

[DoubleRDurham]

Oh right would be good to see actual proof of these prosecutions for being 1 mph over the limit.

I can't give you that, so I assume you think I'm simply lying about it?

Quite why you'd make that judgment I don't know, but if you are somehow able to get details of every speeding conviction via the Internet, you'll doubtless be able to find some.

You will be able to find plenty of supporting documentation for the point I am making though. I'm sorry you don't like the fact I disagreed with your post, but the law is pretty straightforward.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/yes-you-can-fined-going-12843711

 

[DoubleRDurham]

Oh right would be good to see actual proof of these prosecutions for being 1 mph over the limit.not forgetting that there are lots of older cars with not just over reading but also under reading. Not all vehicles have electronic speedos, i.e. Some are still using cables and if you got prosecuted for being 1 mph over the limit then I would strongly suggest to get a new lawyer

You will find contrary to your opinion, most electronic speedometers are more accurate than those that are cable operated. Manufacturers have geared cable operated speedometers to over read for many, many years. My 1967 Herald was 12% over. My 1972, 80, and 87 Minis were all way over too. As was my 1980 Austin Maxi. All of the cars I've owned in the last ten to fifteen years have been too, and many of them had cable operated speedos.

 

[soofsayer]

Quite right, for example my 15 RR over reads by 8 % confirmed on a Dyno.

Interesting. I looked at the speedo when I saw the camera and it read a figure within the advisory guidelines for a 40. Based on your findings it would have read 53/54 on the speedo if I was actually doing 50 which is a big difference.

 

[DoubleRDurham]

The reading is entirely likely to have been made inaccurate... If it was a laser measure, there's some circumstances where laser scatter can cause inaccurate readings, but without a specialist expert witness, and an expensive lawyer, you're unlikely to be able to prove that.

 

[Chris b]

I can't give you that, so I assume you think I'm simply lying about it?

Quite why you'd make that judgment I don't know, but if you are somehow able to get details of every speeding conviction via the Internet, you'll doubtless be able to find some.

You will be able to find plenty of supporting documentation for the point I am making though. I'm sorry you don't like the fact I disagreed with your post, but the law is pretty straightforward.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/yes-you-can-fined-going-12843711

its got nothing to do with not liking your reply it's the fact that I find it very hard to understand how any judge would be able to prosecute for 1 mph over the limit if you have good legal assistance, I know I would fight it all the way and as I have worked on motor vehicles for the last 25 years I have a pretty good idea on how things can differ from different makes.

 

[DoubleRDurham]

its got nothing to do with not liking your reply it's the fact that I find it very hard to understand how any judge would be able to prosecute for 1 mph over the limit if you have good legal assistance, I know I would fight it all the way and as I have worked on motor vehicles for the last 25 years I have a pretty good idea on how things can differ from different makes.

A judge does not have to be involved. A ticket can be issued which can be accepted and points/fine applied without any reference to a court or a judge.

On the matter of differences between vehicles, if you can find one made in the last quarter of a century with an over reading standard speedo (excluding modifications such as incorrect gearbox fitting, aftermarket wheels or speedo), then you'll have found a unicorn - because it wouldn't have met type approval with a dodgy speedometer.

 

[Chris b]

A judge does not have to be involved. A ticket can be issued which can be accepted and points/fine applied without any reference to a court or a judge.

On the matter of differences between vehicles, if you can find one made in the last quarter of a century with an over reading standard speedo (excluding modifications such as incorrect gearbox fitting, aftermarket wheels or speedo), then you'll have found a unicorn - because it wouldn't have met type approval with a dodgy speedometer.

Ok sorry, I'll get my coat I'm off to bang my head against the wall.

 

[Chris b]

I just hope that said wall is still structural and it doesn't fall down, mind it shouldn't as it passed building regs a few years back so it must be built ok as we all live in a perfect world.

 

[Oli]

Interesting. I looked at the speedo when I saw the camera and it read a figure within the advisory guidelines for a 40. Based on your findings it would have read 53/54 on the speedo if I was actually doing 50 which is a big difference.

Absolutely Soof, the speedo would have been reading clearly over 50 if you were indeed doing a true 50 mph. Generally manufacturers have a significant margin for error with speedos to account for these situations. KTM for example are known for significantly over reading speedos.

If yours was reading 40 ish, there's no way you were doing 50, unless of course there is a genuine calibration issue with the particular R you tested. That being said, I suspect it's still very much in your best interest to just do the SAC rather then potentially spend additional time and money with no guarantee of avoiding some type of slap on the wrist.

Is very annoying though, I did a SAC once and as you say it is indeed just a money making scheme ...

 

[soofsayer]

A judge does not have to be involved. A ticket can be issued which can be accepted and points/fine applied without any reference to a court or a judge.

On the matter of differences between vehicles, if you can find one made in the last quarter of a century with an over reading standard speedo (excluding modifications such as incorrect gearbox fitting, aftermarket wheels or speedo), then you'll have found a unicorn - because it wouldn't have met type approval with a dodgy speedometer.

Unicorns you say?


I did some research and found this;

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...data/file/556944/m1-iva-inspection-manual.pdf

On page 141 it talks about minimum real speed acceptable tolerances. That implies that speedos are allowed to be calibrated to read above the true speed but not below it.

 

[Oli]

It's standard practice for speedos to over read, they can't under read otherwise there are legal complications such as we are discussing now. This isn't just motorcycles, it's cars etc too

 

[Chris b]

Talking of unicorns reminds me about the crazy hot scale/ hot crazy matrix,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU
completely off the topic of this thread and I do apologise, sorry I'm back off to my not so perfect world where things can go wrong, including speedos :encouragement:

 

[Oli]

That was hilarious Chris, thanks for sharing!

 

[soofsayer]

Ditto. Lol.

 

[stuartb]

Brilliant... lol

 

[Stephen]

I didn't realise you were this pissed about the fine soof?

https://drivetribe.com/p/UQtBTTLESq...iotukdrivers&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=network

 

[Malic1212]

Don't know if this has been covered but new speeding laws in force. You only get 1 mile above stated limit. The amount of the fine is graded in bands. All very strict. I'd get advice about evidence as they might be looking to set an example.

 

[DoubleRDurham]

Don't know if this has been covered but new speeding laws in force. You only get 1 mile above stated limit. The amount of the fine is graded in bands. All very strict. I'd get advice about evidence as they might be looking to set an example.

It's been mentioned, but not believed.

 

[stuartb]

I didn't realise you were this pissed about the fine soof?

https://drivetribe.com/p/UQtBTTLESq...iotukdrivers&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=network

Lol. Thats hilarious.. read Eric Kaufmans comment below the vid..

I really laughed...

Good post Stephen cheers.

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[ekdg]

Soof, if you want the evidence contact the force and complete a freedom of information act request, they have to give you all the information they hold on you, if you are saying that it was you on the bike at the time then the image will be linked to that file and as such you should be allowed access. The charge for the freedom of information request is ?10