2015 ddc settings?

[CDPDesign]

This is something I really need to look at too. Got my bike out last week for the first time in ages and I had forgotten how 'hard' the thud is when you hit a small pot hole or similar. Good Job I have all my own teeth otherwise they would have fallen out! ;-) If someone could put together an idiots guide to DDC suspension i would be eternally grateful!

 

[r25sti]

This is something I really need to look at too. Got my bike out last week for the first time in ages and I had forgotten how 'hard' the thud is when you hit a small pot hole or similar. Good Job I have all my own teeth otherwise they would have fallen out! ;-) If someone could put together an idiots guide to DDC suspension i would be eternally grateful!

this has helped me alot.

https://medium.com/.../2015-bmw-s1000rr-understanding-user-mode-1a9016e7c430

 

[Tim @ Lind]

For what it's worth. We set our demo in -3 front compression, then -4 and -3 in that order. I can't remember if it's rear rebound that's -4 or rear compression but it certainly makes for more comfy (and playful) riding on the Norfolk roads.

We do leave DR switched on and explain to people who test it how to adjust it and what it does

 

[masho46]

this has helped me alot.

https://medium.com/.../2015-bmw-s1000rr-understanding-user-mode-1a9016e7c430

superb link to user mode will be having a play at the weekend especially the dtc let the wheel rise a bit more.

 

[GCullenRR]

Just read up on the link about setting up "user" mode basically dumbs everything down for someone not as savvy when talking about the BMW !! I've had mine in Sport / race depending on the roads!!

 

[ryden2110]

Thumbs up for User mode!

Once I got to grips with the menus and their layout, it all became very intuitive - which gave me more confidence to play around with settings and combinations.

 

[FreudianSlip]

this has helped me alot.

https://medium.com/.../2015-bmw-s1000rr-understanding-user-mode-1a9016e7c430

That makes a lot of sense - thanks for that. Looks like I've been in Race mode for not a great deal of reason - Maybe I should give Sport mode a bit more of a trial.

<noob question mode>Dynamic Damper Setting in Race mode - does this mean the bike adjusts for the road, riding style and weight of rider etc?</noob question mode>

 

[alex]

The DDC in SPORT mode is much softer and less damped than in RACE.
Weight of rider is not taken into account in any dynamic setting. Stock spring weight seems geared to a 14st person. Preload and setting sag are the requirements for rider weight.

 

[FreudianSlip]

The DDC in SPORT mode is much softer and less damped than in RACE.
Weight of rider is not taken into account in any dynamic setting. Stock spring weight seems geared to a 14st person. Preload and setting sag are the requirements for rider weight.

Having read the small print on that web page under the DDC section, ROAD = soft, DYNAMIC = medium, TRACK = hard. I automatically thought that DYNAMIC meant that it changed on-the-fly. Obviously not

 

[alex]

I think that's someone's term for sporty...On UK roads I find it can be too jarring.

 

[Oli]

I have to say, now I have one, the ddc settings should use the +/- button for the slip control. Ie you toggle between slip and ddc on the fly. Having to go into the setup menu seems a bit convoluted.


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I believe it is possible to adjust the DDC compression/rebound settings on the fly using "Set DR on" in the DDC sub menu. However, I'm not sure whether it is possible to adjust TC and DDC settings concurrently during a ride

 

[ryden2110]

I have the "Set Dr" option turned on and you just flick through with the "set" button until your desired setting appears ( Where if it isn't on you have to first go to the "setup menu" select "dds setup" and then choose your area of adjustment)

You still use the +/- for the TC level when in the relevant modes. But the "Set DR" on applies in all modes.

 

[Kennybush]

I'm thinking I may need to have a play around with some of my settings. Bike is used for road use only, on fairly bumpy roads, and I weigh about 84kg without riding kit on.
I've never really played around with suspension settings on previous bikes, so not sure where to start.

I'm finding that if I'm in rain or sport modes, the bike feels quite unsettled at times. If I'm in race mode I it feels a lot better, and gives me a lot more confidence.

Do you guys think it worth getting a suspension specialist to set up a base setting for me? or can anyone point me towards a idiots guide to suspension settings for bikes in general. I've not looked at sag settings or anything yet, so I'm guessing that's what i should be doing, before starting to adjust pre-load and rebound.
If so does anyone recommend anywhere in Scotland to go? Quick search of google showing up a couple of places around Glasgow, and a place at Knockhill. Anyone ever used any of them?

 

[MacRR]

I'm thinking I may need to have a play around with some of my settings. Bike is used for road use only, on fairly bumpy roads, and I weigh about 84kg without riding kit on.
I've never really played around with suspension settings on previous bikes, so not sure where to start.

I'm finding that if I'm in rain or sport modes, the bike feels quite unsettled at times. If I'm in race mode I it feels a lot better, and gives me a lot more confidence.

Do you guys think it worth getting a suspension specialist to set up a base setting for me? or can anyone point me towards a idiots guide to suspension settings for bikes in general. I've not looked at sag settings or anything yet, so I'm guessing that's what i should be doing, before starting to adjust pre-load and rebound.
If so does anyone recommend anywhere in Scotland to go? Quick search of google showing up a couple of places around Glasgow, and a place at Knockhill. Anyone ever used any of them?

Hi Kenny, I'm about your weight, I ride my '15RR in race mode everywhere and I've been pretty happy with the settings overall in the 2+ years I've had the bike, I'm not a particularly fussy rider when it comes to set up however I had been missing the sharp steering, 'nailed on' front ending feeling I achieved when I got 100% Suspension to set up my previous gen2 as I find my current bike lacking a bit in feel and a little understeery (with M7RR's on) at the front - which isn't a problem most of the time on the road but isn't so good when I occasionally venture out on track. So while I was at Donington a few weeks ago I got 100% to look at my gen3, they felt the standard set up on the rear of my bike was pretty good and didn't think there was any need to tweek it, saying I could go up +1 or 2 to try it out but really there was no need to. At the front, there was a bit too much rebound so we went up +2 and I noticed the difference that made straight away. What 100% also said was that while the DDC is superb on the road it does have its limitations on track and that moving to KTec (they are a KTec dealer) would make a big difference to set up options and performance, I'm sure they're right but I'm not dissatisfied to the tune of ?2k!
I've been a big advocate of all purpose tyres on here and have praised the M7's, however as I'm getting less opportunity to get out on the bike nowadays I'm also going to switch to Supercorsas at the next tyre change and see what impact they have. So in short, my advice would be not to start making dramatic changes beyond the couple of tweeks I've mentioned, see how you get on, but if no better seek professional help!

 

[fast_ryan]

Suspension Setup

Suspension setup is by far the most important and beneficial modification you can ever make to a bike. Forget full exhaust systems and bolt on tat as until you have set the suspension up properly you will never be able to get the most from your bike. Before you make any changes you must set front and rear preload. If not any adjustments that you make will be largely irrelevant and the bike will not respond in the correct way. If your not confident in setting preload (sag) yourself then I would strongly advise getting a professional to do it for you.

 

[alex]

At 84kgs you'd probably benefit from reduced spring rate. I'm 90 kitted and still ended up dropping my rate from ~10.5 to 10.


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[Kennybush]

Cheers for all the replies fellows.
I'll try measuring and setting the sag when I get home from work, then try some of the suggested settings.

Does anybody know know of any books or reading material for general suspension setting and science. My knowledge of suspension is very limited.

 

[Oli]

On a bike with DDC, if you can set the laden aka rider sag correctly then that's the first bit.
After that, you can make some adjustments to the damping though trial and error, or ideally, you'd book in with a suspension specialist who can physically press on the bike and get a feel for how it moves so they can give you a suitable "base" setting.
They can also advise whether a spring rate change would be in your interest too.

Personally, although reading up on suspension is very worthwhile, I think it's money well spent to just see a specialist from the start as they'll make sure your bike is off on the right foot so to speak .

 

[Oli]

Dave moss tuning on u tube will set u in right direction .




Jay

Yea Dave Moss Tuning is by all accounts very good!

There are videos of him setting up Gen 3 RR's on YouTube, well worth the price to view the video.

Just bear in mind that when he sets up the damping from the track side, it is with track riding in mind, not the road.
There is another comparison video where he makes suggestions from a dealership where he has suggestions for road riding

 

[Oli]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLkUEkxt6X0

Track

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IXW7ioi3vVk

Road