Maximum power output?

[pauly]

Putting aside for the time being the ,all the stars aligned, output claims from Italian manufacturers, and lowest likely output claims from the Germans, then there's HP V BHP. Not that a few bhp makes much difference when you have over 200 bhp on a road bike, but the MCN road test on the 23 S1000RR stated it has 210 German donkeys. I wonder how that really compares to what a 23/ V4 Panigale puts out? To further muddy the water the MCN comparison of those 2 bikes, using a pro rider, the BMW was faster around the track. Surprising considering the nicer suspension on the Ducati.

 

[alex]

210ps or 206hp. I don't think anyone can validate it as it's an 'at the crank' figure.
Can I hang with a V4S on Mugello's straight, yes.

 

[pauly]

Perhaps it was just the power delivery, but my 1299S Pani supposedly had 205 hp, and I think my 22 S1000RR that had the same power, would have ridden straight past straight it.

 

[Gillies O'Bryan-Tear]

210ps or 206hp. I don't think anyone can validate it as it's an 'at the crank' figure.
Can I hang with a V4S on Mugello's straight, yes.

The power figures for these bikes are irrelevant anywhere except on track. There, in my experience, the rider makes far more difference than any other factor, certainly a few horsepower here or there, however defined. And the fastest bikes on track are nearly always anything that isn’t Italian, because the Italian bikes spend so much time broken down and being fixed. But we all love them because they are v beautiful and make a great noise.

 

[pauly]

Is that a late V4 that has a claimed 2016 hp?

The power figures for these bikes are irrelevant anywhere except on track. There, in my experience, the rider makes far more difference than any other factor, certainly a few horsepower here or there, however defined. And the fastest bikes on track are nearly always anything that isn’t Italian, because the Italian bikes spend so much time broken down and being fixed. But we all love them because they are v beautiful and make a great noise.

More nonsense. I absolutely ragged my Pani 1299 S for the year I had it, and it never broke down. I only sold it because it didn't feel as quick as my Gen 2, and it was a gas guzzler.

 

[Gillies O'Bryan-Tear]

Speak to a few Ducati owners - I had one once and others I know, they let us down repeatedly and are notoriously unreliable. Doesn’t mean every one is unreliable of course. It’s a pity they haven’t fixed the gremlins because in other ways magnificent bikes. BMW has far larger resources to spend on developing their bikes, which is one of the reasons for the difference.