1MPH over the limit == penalty

[FreudianSlip]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nalised-going-just-1mph-speed-limit-britains/

Personally I think this guy doesn't drive. Has anyone actually tried to keep their bike/car at *exactly* 30mph for any kind of distance? You'd spend most of your time looking at the speedo and end up ploughing through people and stopped cars.

IMO the only time that doing the exact speed limit (and i know it's a limit, not a target, but if you do 28mph in a 30, someone will be getting pissed off behind you) is when we all stop riding/driving and let the commodore 64's of this world do the job - at which point - shoot me.

 

[alex]

Its a nonsense.
Wouldn?t worry about it. It won?t happen.


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[Bertie]

It could happen. Thats exactly how they operate already in France. All that happens is that people slow to 30 rather than 34 as they pass a speed camera. Our roads are already very safe and its people driving like bell-ends and not paying attention thats the safety risk not so much speed. I have noticed that lane discipline in average speed camera zones is far worse than on normal roads with people just sitting in their lane and not moving over and the risk I see from this is that this behaviour gets worse.

 

[alex]

It could happen. Thats exactly how they operate already in France. All that happens is that people slow to 30 rather than 34 as they pass a speed camera. Our roads are already very safe and its people driving like bell-ends and not paying attention thats the safety risk not so much speed. I have noticed that lane discipline in average speed camera zones is far worse than on normal roads with people just sitting in their lane and not moving over and the risk I see from this is that this behaviour gets worse.

I expect avg speed cameras to be the norm soon and then in a way we?ll welcome automation cause its so fecking dull to drive.

Licenses are too easy and they should enforce a test for those coming over here and driving (when they buy or are insured on a car).

We should allow undertaking...so I?m not law breaking by doing it anymore (because I refuse to be held hostage but a c nut). I?m not talking about weaving erratically, just making safe progress.





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[phil]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nalised-going-just-1mph-speed-limit-britains/
Has anyone actually tried to keep their bike/car at *exactly* 30mph for any kind of distance? You'd spend most of your time looking at the speedo

Actually Yes, I have. I can ride at the speed limit without looking too much at the speedo, just took a few years of training lol.

I dont think there will ever be a time (in my life time) when one can be prosecuted for 1 mph over any limit.

If it is introduced I would guess that the 30 mph limit will be increased to 34 mph.

 

[alex]

The police would waste millions of ?'s trying to convict people and they'd be bogged down in court cases, whilst stabbings and acid attacks go unattended because they have diverted funds from real policing to dishing out tickets.

This Police Chief clearly doesn't know what "Serving the Community" means.

 

[JimmyMac]

This Police Chief clearly doesn't know what "Serving the Community" means.

He does however Alex know how to look after his mates by allowing his Force to short change the community, corrupt to the core..............

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...-chiefs-number-plate-sold-too-cheaply--claim/

JimmyMac

 

[soofsayer]

We should allow undertaking...so I’m not law breaking by doing it anymore (because I refuse to be held hostage but a c nut). I’m not talking about weaving erratically, just making safe progress.





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There was much discussion about undertaking and the legality of it when I did the advanced training (yes as you can imagine it was soo exciting). As far as I am aware it is not illegal to undertake another vehicle, nowhere in the highway code or in law does it state anywhere it is not allowed. Think about it logically, how can you ensure you never pass another vehicle on the inside when in traffic or when traffic flows permit. You probably do it every day without realising.

The kicker is doing it safely and driving with due care and attention. The majority of motorway undertaking is often done by drivers travelling in excess of the speed limits and weaving in and out of lanes, which would be considered dangerous or reckless. I undertake regularly and have never been pulled for it.

 

[soofsayer]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nalised-going-just-1mph-speed-limit-britains/

Personally I think this guy doesn't drive. Has anyone actually tried to keep their bike/car at *exactly* 30mph for any kind of distance? You'd spend most of your time looking at the speedo and end up ploughing through people and stopped cars.

IMO the only time that doing the exact speed limit (and i know it's a limit, not a target, but if you do 28mph in a 30, someone will be getting pissed off behind you) is when we all stop riding/driving and let the commodore 64's of this world do the job - at which point - shoot me.

I have just paid ?100 for my wife being caught doing 35 in a 30, along with 3 points on her licence. It is all too easy for your speed to vary slightly whilst observing the road ahead.

I went to a speed awareness a few months back (there was a thread about my misdemeanour) and the guy running the course was adamant that speed camera vans only go to spots where there has been a recent accident. Well what a load of bollocks, the room was in uproar, the course nearly got stopped lol. The vans go to where they think they can get the most income, we all know it, they should just come clean and admit it instead of the pretense of road safety. If road safety was so important then why switch off most of the statics?

 

[alex]

There was much discussion about undertaking and the legality of it when I did the advanced training (yes as you can imagine it was soo exciting). As far as I am aware it is not illegal to undertake another vehicle, nowhere in the highway code or in law does it state anywhere it is not allowed. Think about it logically, how can you ensure you never pass another vehicle on the inside when in traffic or when traffic flows permit. You probably do it every day without realising.

The kicker is doing it safely and driving with due care and attention. The majority of motorway undertaking is often done by drivers travelling in excess of the speed limits and weaving in and out of lanes, which would be considered dangerous or reckless. I undertake regularly and have never been pulled for it.

True, from my understanding, yes, you can undertake if they are going under the limit in the other lane. But that's it, people tell you undertaking is wrong, but it's the speeding that's actually wrong.

 

[alex]

I have just paid ?100 for my wife being caught doing 35 in a 30, along with 3 points on her licence. It is all too easy for your speed to vary slightly whilst observing the road ahead.

I went to a speed awareness a few months back (there was a thread about my misdemeanour) and the guy running the course was adamant that speed camera vans only go to spots where there has been a recent accident. Well what a load of bollocks, the room was in uproar, the course nearly got stopped lol. The vans go to where they think they can get the most income, we all know it, they should just come clean and admit it instead of the pretense of road safety. If road safety was so important then why switch off most of the statics?

Do they still use the rule of 'within a mile' of an accident? I.e. a country lane crash next to a dual carriageway entitles them to stick the van on the DC?

 

[phil]

I went to a speed awareness a few months back (there was a thread about my misdemeanour) and the guy running the course was adamant that speed camera vans only go to spots where there has been a recent accident. Well what a load of bollocks, the room was in uproar, the course nearly got stopped lol. The vans go to where they think they can get the most income, we all know it, they should just come clean and admit it

+1, I have never seen a Camera van in an accident blackspot. Ive seen one on the B1225 (Horncastle to caistor) on a very straight part of that fabulous road, I now have a habit of slowing down on straight pieces of road.

 

[soofsayer]

Do they still use the rule of 'within a mile' of an accident? I.e. a country lane crash next to a dual carriageway entitles them to stick the van on the DC?

There is no entitlement as far as I know, they go where they want. Here is a link to the NYP safety van data. At the bottom of the page is a spreadsheet of the hit rates in each area on any given day. What is clear is that nearly all offences are minor speeding offences, only a small number are serious where court proceedings are initiated. First 2 weeks of Jan this year, 40 speed offences for court proceedings, 3222 fixed penalty/SAC. Just based on the ?100 minimum fine (some of which will be a lot more) thats ?322k revenue in 2 weeks, ?160k a week, or ?8.3 million a year.

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/what-we-do/road-policing/safety-cameras/

 

[alex]

Urgh... forget my comments, they were pre-Coffee. The 1 mile thing was for placing camera signs....within a mile of a camera site.


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[MacRR]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nalised-going-just-1mph-speed-limit-britains/

Personally I think this guy doesn't drive. Has anyone actually tried to keep their bike/car at *exactly* 30mph for any kind of distance? You'd spend most of your time looking at the speedo and end up ploughing through people and stopped cars.

IMO the only time that doing the exact speed limit (and i know it's a limit, not a target, but if you do 28mph in a 30, someone will be getting pissed off behind you) is when we all stop riding/driving and let the commodore 64's of this world do the job - at which point - shoot me.

I do a lot of driving and I have a pretty good feel for what 30 and 40mph 'feels' like so don't find myself staring at the speedo much, I also use cruise control in the car (and used to on the Sthou) in 30 and 40 limits if the conditions are appropriate.

 

[andy tims]

Its a nonsense.
Wouldn?t worry about it. It won?t happen.

This.

Just imagine the number of crashes caused by people fixated by their speedo to the extent they are not looking where they are going.

 

[DCB]

Could be argued you are effectively undertaking while filtering


Daz

 

[bananaman]

Would also mean that every speedo would have to be calibrated, I know mine differ to gps sat nav which I would presume is more accurate.. Maybe at mot time.

 

[Huge]

Would also mean that every speedo would have to be calibrated, I know mine differ to gps sat nav which I would presume is more accurate.. Maybe at mot time.

Every bike I've had overstates speed by circa 10%. Apparently the manufacturers do it on purpose.
IMO, the reason the coppers give it 10% leeway is the difficulty of proving small infractions.

 

[bananaman]

The problem with speedos is cars and motorbikes are measured via the rotation of the axle , driveshaft or moreso the wheels. It then uses some maths to translate into travel of speed... so many rotations of the rear wheel equals said speed. However change the size of the wheel , over inflate or under inflate and the maths is out and so is ur speed and this is why police allow 10 % .
The reason why sat navs show we are going slower than that of the speedo is the way in which travel is measured . As with a speedo speed is measured from the wheel etc , a sat nav measures how long it takes u to travel from a to b. Via satellite. They continuously measure distance a to distance b in short bursts , then calculate how long this took giving ur speed of travel.
A satellite speed is truer than that of a speedo so long as the satellite has good signal.

My point exactly....It would be impossible to calculate accurate speed from the speedo so, "yes your honour, my sat-nav is more accurate than my speedometer are you telling me that it is wrong? "