2019 S1000rr major issues on track

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Racekaby

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Just nicely back from 3 days in Brno where I hired the 2019 S1000rr M performance bike with the new to this year RSE school.
Immediate impression and confirmed over the 3 days is that this bike is not fit for purpose and I am genuinely shocked that BMW have not pulled the plug on these bikes being hired out.....not a good advert for their product.
been on 3 previous events with basically the same organisation and always ultra safe for track time but was riding their older model S1000rr or my own ZX10r. This event must have had 10+ crashes and for only 30 riders over a max of 15 sessions over the 3 days. Spoke to another rider who attended the Magellan event earlier in the year and this was far worse and described as a crash fest.
from the second session day 1 my bike had electronic issues with warnings in German on the dash. Third session (previous error reset) and major warning “engine control unit failure...go to specialist workshop” - not what you want to see on track. Basically my bike could not be used as it even cut out in the paddock when bringing it back in. Got a new bike (Crashed in the first or second session already) and was able to tentatively carry on. Mate ended up on his third bike which was again one crashed earlier but put back to work. His first had major stability issues and then had same engine message and cut out on track (luckily he was upright when this happened) , second bike was a crashed one and this failed early day 2 with Ecuador management issues but he managed to finish on a third bike.
‘We found out later that a number of bikes had just come back from BMW Munich the day before our event due to these same issues...our start bikes were 2 of these so clearly B`mW didn’t sort the issues out. After this event 5 or 6 bikes again going back to Munich for BMW to try and sort them again.
‘Told later that all of these bikes were preproduction bikes but as they clearly are crashing all the time surely BMW should replace them as soon as they have sorted the issues...having said that they have clearly tried to sort them a number of times and failed. To me you shouldn’t allow hire bikes on track when you know that their engines could cut out at any time. Whilst upright this is dangerous enough but in a corner and you are crashing. They pay test riders a lot of money to prove these bikes....should not be using paying punters to ride what are clearly dangerous bikes. Not good for their reputation.....they hire these out in the hope of selling them later.
needless to say I cancelled my order on my return.
 
not sure the relevance of these bikes to most of us on this site. as you said it sounds like they were preproduction bikes and been crashed a lot. it says more about the hire company than the bikes.imo.
 
not sure the relevance of these bikes to most of us on this site. as you said it sounds like they were preproduction bikes and been crashed a lot. it says more about the hire company than the bikes.imo.

The RSE with Troy Corser is an official partner of BMW Motorrad so that is my point. BMW gave these bike to this race school to showcase their product but as soon as it became clear that there were issues with the bikes and/or their engine management systems they should have responded nd bitten the bullet and withdrawn these bikes. Own goal as is with merely showcasing a potentially dangerous but definitely faulty product.
 
Apart from engine cutting out for unknown reason, were there any other issues ?
 
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you say you cancelled your order, was you buying one of there actual bikes or a new production bike. i wouldn't of cancelled based on a bunch of track ragged and crashed bikes with un-known history. It is however a poor effort of BMW if they knew there were issues with these bikes.
 
The forum rules are for a welcome post if you want to join the community - if you just want to vent spleen there's Facebook.

It's quite clear you have an issue with the organisers and the expectation they set. I agree it's not good enough that your bikes were unreliable, you've paid for a service. But it's not because the Gen4 is a bad bike.
 
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To be fair OP's issues sound like my first Gen4, which I am now 100% sure was a pre production bike that was not meant to be sold to the general public.

@OP, don't worry, the production bikes still have issues, but are far more reliable than the preprod ones.
 
My dealer also has a pre prod bike kind of. Some features were funny but bike ran just great.
For instance I could shift any gear and the cruise control would remain in, I loved that but apparently it should not be the case.

Bike is just great at the track probably it wheelies a lot more than needed so might require some lowering of swing arm pivot.


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My dealer also has a pre prod bike kind of. Some features were funny but bike ran just great.
For instance I could shift any gear and the cruise control would remain in, I loved that but apparently it should not be the case.

Bike is just great at the track probably it wheelies a lot more than needed so might require some lowering of swing arm pivot.


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Cruise control works on upshifts but deactivates if I downshift on the new GS. I dont remember it working on upshifts on the Gen3 RR but I removed all that stuff a long time ago so I may not be remembering correctly.
 
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Cruise control on the Gen 4 in the manual says it disengages when changing gear but I seem to remember various reviews saying it allows for up shifts. Confused now. Manual probably the correct one.
 
I did meant for up shifts. I still to start my new one so can elaborate later.



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Hehe doesn't everyone use cruise on track!?!?

- Alex
Someone said that he loves shifting up and down while on cruise control.

If you think about, it's kinda what Redding does all the time.
 
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Ok issues on race track:
What about too much wheeling ? Wc 1. Think the RR comes out of factory set as for two persons so swing arm all the way up from the height adjustment.


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