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    Re: all year round tires

    I run S21's all year round (including a few trackdays in inter group) with no issues, I wouldnt go out in the snow and Ice with them but other than that I find they work in all conditions.

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    Re: all year round tires

    Iím on my second set of S21ís and toured Europe , tracked and ridden in all weathers on them all year around. Never had and issue unless Iím ham fisted with the throttle. Always found the Bridgestone felt the same new to worn, and suit the BMWs front end. My ability / talent is well within thereís.
    A good balance of life and grip for me.
    Thought about getting sportier tyres but as most of my riding is on the road worries they would square off too soon.

    I used to have Michelinís on my GIXer and found them sensitive to wear and pressure. Softer carcass more flex Iím told.

    Others I know say the newer PRs from Michelin are worse for this due to lighter construction.


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    Re: all year round tires

    Metzeler Roadtec 01's imo are better than PR2,3,4, cant comment on PR5 but if they are anything like 4's they wear out real fast on the last mm.
    Pirelli Rosso3's are good too in all weathers.
    Im running Pirelli Angel GT's on my KTM superduke and they are performing well 4k from a rear and 6.7k from the front. I think you would run Angel ST on the RR. I would give them a try, think they are reasonable price.

    As others have said, its all down to how you feel and ride, be smooth and almost any tyre will perform ok.
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    Re: all year round tires

    Those two tyres are a completely different type of tyre @Gaz93. The Pilot Roads are very much what they say on the tin and biased for the road and quite a square shape for people that want to get thousands of miles out of them without them squaring off, and extremely good performance in cold, wet weather. The downside is that you lose the agility of the S1000RR, it will not drop into corners anywhere near as good as with the more racey tyres. The M7RR are much more track biased, I even raced on them at the beginning of the year because they are still good in low temperatures. You do have to hold back a bit in poor weather but no where near as much as with other hyper sports tyres such as the Pirelli Supercorsas and the like which are a death wish in the rain.
    My advice would be to base the decision on what you rode on the Supermotos and how you like to ride? if you were a bit of a hooligan chucking it around then definitely go for the M7RR as they can genuinely do it all with just a little poor weather compromise and need to be changed earlier. If you are a bit better behaved and need a bike for all weathers that will last longer and dont want to have to be too careful in the middle of winter then go for the Pilot Roads.

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    Re: all year round tires

    As an all year rider I too am concerned about winter temperatures, warm up, wet weather grip and longevity (as a bonus). I'd say "Royal's" comment about the shape of the PR4 is fair however I can't say the minor change in flickability was really an issue; I still had an awesome time! - the grip was excellent all year round and despite what others have said about great grip I don't think any of the other tyres compare so well in winter. There was some discussion way back when about the carcass being weaker but I haven't notice - perhaps that's a track performance level; issue. The bike has felt very stable in all cases on the road - and I really don't hang around!
    I don't track this bike and I have run most of these tyres on the S1 in all conditions (except snow!) - Funnily enough the only minor slips I have had were on the M7's on a cooler morning where I assume they hadn't warmed up enough as I opened it up - I think in that case the PR's would have been fine.
    To be honest, the biggest downside is that lack of cool factor as the tread on a PR looks way less cool from behind!
    I am on here because I have been running M7's for the summer touring (i.e. ripping up the alps) and was wondering if anyone had any experience of the Road 5's.
    As a matter of interest when I had the M7's fitted at the base of the Alps by BMW in Switzerland (I pre-ordered them to fit on arrival) they removed my PR4's - here's the joke - the local dealer said the PR4's were better for riding over there (and the M7's would wear out faster due to the the road surfaces being harder wearing and the heat) - interesting that a BMW dealer was recommending PR's over the M7's !
    SO where I'm at - This is day 1 of what to get next. The PR4's were great last winter/spring and I am now curious about the next generation as I have only a couple of hundred miles in the M7's.... (and I'll just have to take the crap I get about my S1 looking like a tourer again!)
    Will anyone own up to having tried the Road 5's (which I think is the replacement for the PR4's?) - promise I won't tell anyone!

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    Re: all year round tires

    Quote Originally Posted by cristo View Post
    ... Will anyone own up to having tried the Road 5's (which I think is the replacement for the PR4's?) - promise I won't tell anyone!
    Correct, the Road 5ís are indeed the successor to the Pilot Road 4ís.

    I would like to try the R5ís as always use Sport Touring tyres through the Autumn and Winter months (or all year round as it turned out this year lol).
    I was a massive fan of the PR3ís, still my favourite cold/wet weather road tyre, though did not like the PR4ís (why I changed to RoadTech 01ís)


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    Re: all year round tires

    Great thread, Guys. I've got a fair few winter miles coming up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cristo View Post
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    As a matter of interest when I had the M7's fitted at the base of the Alps by BMW in Switzerland (I pre-ordered them to fit on arrival) they removed my PR4's - here's the joke - the local dealer said the PR4's were better for riding over there (and the M7's would wear out faster due to the the road surfaces being harder wearing and the heat) - interesting that a BMW dealer was recommending PR's over the M7's !
    SO where I'm at - This is day 1 of what to get next. The PR4's were great last winter/spring and I am now curious about the next generation as I have only a couple of hundred miles in the M7's.... (and I'll just have to take the crap I get about my S1 looking like a tourer again!)
    Will anyone own up to having tried the Road 5's (which I think is the replacement for the PR4's?) - promise I won't tell anyone!
    The reason they recommend the PR4's is for changeable conditions and temperatures in the mountains, even in the summer it can snow and be too cold for the M7RR on some of the mountain passes. If you are going to the Alps for a summer blast then generally you are going to be looking for the sun and to blast around having fun so the M7RRs makes sense, rather than the locals that might be passing from Italy into Switzerland regularly for work or whatever which makes more sense on the PR4's which are safer if the weather gets dodgy.

    My advice would be to forget about which looks cool. Just be brutally honest about the way you ride. If you like riding fast and leaning the bike over lots and generally stick to decent weather then get the M7RR since they have more grip at lean (assuming the weather is good..). If you're not a closet racer and if you are doing a load of motorway miles and need something that works in all conditions then choose the PR4's.

    Further to all of that - if I was using the bike day to day through the winter then I would choose PR4 without hesitation. I would just change back to M7RR again in ~march.
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    Re: all year round tires

    Hi Royal - I don't let looking cool dictate the decision - but it's always a bonus on such a lovely machine ;-)
    So here's my choice and supporting thinking....

    I did a little more research and (although I hate to pioneer a new tyre) I have just replaced my summer M7's with Michelin Road 5. Roadtec's came close but without all my detailed thinking my main reasons are:
    1. The PR4's were great last winter (got 5-6k with some left in the tyre before I changed to my summer M7 tyres as per previous post) - I loved the quick warm up in the cold weather on the on the PR4 and (all importantly) they gave me good confidence in the wet
    2. The Road 5 (like the PR4's) should give good fast turn-in due to the shape (as per PR4) and give good hard wearing longevity (which is a bonus) in the centre section
    3. My only reservation about the PR4's was the common discussion around the sidewall not being strong enough for the S1 if pushed - well the new Road's have a strengthened sidewall by adding a stiffer compound underneath the softer grippier external layer - like that idea, even thought I'm not sure I ever hit the problem on the road.
    4. If you look at the Road 5 compared to the Power RS (the Michelin sports tyre) and the previous PR4's you can see how the Road 5 takes the good points from both to give good grip in the wet and yet some good cornering traction too (more rubber/less sipes on the sides) - so my experience of PR4's (there appears to be general agreement they are THE BEST for grip in wet conditions) in conjunction with the testing and feedback so far om the Road 5 (which is all good - although admittedly largely (but not only) based on Michelin marketing) it 'seems' to make them a good winter choice - and Michelin have always been good for wet grip in general in my experience
    5. I was blasting about on the PR'4s in the spring up until June and they were pretty sticky - so I think the risk on the new one's of losing anything is very low. They reckon the Road's have more grip in the wet after 3k miles than PR4's had when they were new!

    Admittedly (and this is where I am taking a risk) they only came out in Jan so feedback from winter riding is still scarce but I can't find any negatives and my PR4 experience was good. I've written that from memory so I got anything wrong feel free to dive in!

    PS: They do happen to look slightly cooler than the PR4's !

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    Re: all year round tires

    As ever (and yet again) another great thread on this great forum. Really informative. My first out of season journey beckons and the flippin weather is gonna rain all through my journey through France and Spain. Thank-you very much, God. I'm on a mission so I think I've got to go. Temperatures are gonna be 5 to 10 degrees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz93 View Post
    ...I don't ride like a fanny (otherwise I wouldn't of bought this missile ).
    Loving the new bike by the way. even if I did get caught speeding on my first trip out on it.... luckily it was only 37 in a 30...
    I DO ride like a fanny (Andy and Stuart will confirm).
    + I trust you have now discovered you can lose your license in first gear?

    Quote Originally Posted by phil View Post
    ...cant comment on PR5 but if they are anything like 4's they wear out real fast on the last mm.
    ... its all down to how you feel and ride, be smooth and almost any tyre will perform ok.
    I noticed that with PR4's on my old triple.
    + Wise words on smooth

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    ... if you were a bit of a hooligan chucking it around then definitely go for the M7RR as they can genuinely do it all with just a little poor weather compromise and need to be changed earlier. If you are a bit better behaved and need a bike for all weathers that will last longer and dont want to have to be too careful in the middle of winter then go for the Pilot Roads.
    Hooligan = M7RRs

    Quote Originally Posted by cristo View Post
    ...PS: They do happen to look slightly cooler than the PR4's !
    The fact I like new sh*t, suggests I go check out the Road 5 and tell you all about it (if I go).


    There's one thing I need to understand before I get on to FWR. I think it was Andy who mentioned the 200 profile. I've got OEM wheels. Would they fit? What are the implications for grip and maybe a euro trackday early next year? (I always ride to track days, gonna calm it down though... the ride back from Rockingham wasn't much fun TBH).
    I need to order the tyres this avo. Thoughts welcome.
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