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soofsayer
14th January 2016, 02:43 PM
Hi Everyone,

A new year, a new start.

Our forum logo has a very close resemblance to the official BMW logo on the bikes, and this is potentially a big legal issue (nothing has been said yet but it needs sorting out).

We also have the s1000rr.co.uk domain.

As much valued members, do you think we should:

1 - Keep the existing domain as the main domain (s1000rrforum.co.uk) and tweak the logo enough to make it 'legal'.
2 - Keep the existing domain as the main domain and come up with a new logo?
3 - Use s1000rr.co.uk as the domain and come up with a new logo for that?
4- Relocate to somewhere the germans cant' find us?
5- something else?

Your vote is private. If you would like to add comments or other suggestions on this thread please do.

JimmyMac
14th January 2016, 03:00 PM
Personally, once you start coming on here, the domain name is not as important as most people will set a shortcut. I would leave it alone and only tweak the logo to make it comfortable for the people who run the forum. I know a local garage to me called D&G who a few years ago had Dolce & Gabbana giving them grief over trademark. It made all the papers but I'm sure the owners had a nightmare at the time.

Do what you need to guys and thanks for keeping this place so good.

JimmyMac

soofsayer
14th January 2016, 03:09 PM
Thanks for your input Jimmy!

MacRR
14th January 2016, 03:12 PM
Yes agreed leave the domain alone but I think the logo could probably do with a re-think, make it a bit more impactful maybe?

soofsayer
14th January 2016, 03:33 PM
Yes agreed leave the domain alone but I think the logo could probably do with a re-think, make it a bit more impactful maybe?

Thank you Mac :)

andyf
14th January 2016, 03:54 PM
S100RR.co.uk is a much snappier domain name than s.1000rrforum.co.uk.

We are not passing ourselves off as being BMW, or being formally endorsed by them, nor are we in any meaningful sense competing with BMW by selling merchandise which appears to be BMW. What we are is a community enjoying and supporting one BMW's motorcycles. I see absolutely no reason for BMW to have a problem with any similarities between our logo and their S1000RR logo in this context. They are BMW, not Warner f*****g Brothers.

If the logo is a problem, and there seems to be no reason to suspect that it is, do we then start worrying about whether we can have "S1000RR" in the domain name or title?

edit: N.B. I am not qualified to practice law, and copyright/trademark law are not my areas of expertise.

soofsayer
14th January 2016, 04:18 PM
Andy - I agree with you sentiment wholeheartedly :). No there has not been a complaint. No we don't have to change the logo because there isn't a gun at anyone's head, and its been fine for a while now. However, it is infringing copyright, regardless of our 'below the radar' position. But, just suppose for example, an opportunity arises to get some leverage with BMW (or any other corporate) to the benefit of forum members on here, we would have a problem straight away. We'd also like to be in a position to offer members free forum logo decals for their bikes (nothing big but nicely subtle) as well as other stuff, but printing is a problem due to copyright. So it does really just need sorting.

I agree with you about the shorter domain name, but as Jimmy says, it becomes irrelevant once people come on the site, lets see how this goes... interesting to hear all views.

alex
14th January 2016, 04:28 PM
You know my thoughts already. With good SEO then it can be called go-fk-yourself.co.uk and you'll still find it :)

We have history (in search engines, here) certainly better to stay here without investing heavily (time) in moving.

I'd like a more merchandise friendly logo.

Charlotte
14th January 2016, 04:31 PM
Andy - I agree with you sentiment wholeheartedly :). No there has not been a complaint. No we don't have to change the logo because there isn't a gun at anyone's head, and its been fine for a while now. However, it is infringing copyright, regardless of our 'below the radar' position. But, just suppose for example, an opportunity arises to get some leverage with BMW (or any other corporate) to the benefit of forum members on here, we would have a problem straight away. We'd also like to be in a position to offer members free forum logo decals for their bikes (nothing big but nicely subtle) as well as other stuff, but printing is a problem due to copyright. So it does really just need sorting.

I agree with you about the shorter domain name, but as Jimmy says, it becomes irrelevant once people come on the site, lets see how this goes... interesting to hear all views.


I'd leave it all as is and send a presumtive close letter to BMW asking for permission. That way you have nothing to worry about...I very much doubt they'll object as we're all the people who buy thier bikes.....talking of which here's my new beastie pantone matched to the race leathers....spray on/peel off rubber...who knew!?
http://s1000rrforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=872&stc=1

oldwobbler
14th January 2016, 04:39 PM
I found the forum originally using Google no problem (and have been here ever since with a book mark). Changing the forum domain just sounds like a job nobody really needs?

Logo - I like the one we have and would be more than happy to keep it, but, if better minds than mine think it must change then so be it. I think for the logo to be relevant to us it will always infringe copyright?

Merchandise - I would love some "alien" stickers or "alien" T shirts but have not found them so far. You know the ones I mean - simple design of an alien head with different eyes?

keep up the good work.

soofsayer
14th January 2016, 04:40 PM
Charlotte, thanks for your post, and the new bike looks, well , very pink! Love it. If you get the chance you should set up a thread in the Garage section :).

alex
14th January 2016, 04:46 PM
Charlotte - your new beastie deserves it's own thread! I assume you used plasti-coat type of coverings - is it durable - how many layers?

The Alien head logo's are out there - freely - we'd be able to use the 2010-14 and the 2015+ version without much hassle. I think.

TheFlymo
14th January 2016, 04:52 PM
Agreed- more info on the rubber stuff please, looks great!

"Spray on rubber" probably opens this site up to a whole new google search community!

alex
14th January 2016, 05:08 PM
"Spray on rubber" probably opens this site up to a whole new google search community!

:D

Marzy
14th January 2016, 09:46 PM
Like you said soofsayer, its a close resemblance of the official logo, but it ain't the same so I doubt BMW can do anything about it. I like the idea about contacting BMW for there permission. Maybe they might have a problem with your logo not being the same. Just a thought!

Marzy
14th January 2016, 09:50 PM
I'd leave it all as is and send a presumtive close letter to BMW asking for permission. That way you have nothing to worry about...I very much doubt they'll object as we're all the people who buy thier bikes.....talking of which here's my new beastie pantone matched to the race leathers....spray on/peel off rubber...who knew!?
http://s1000rrforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=872&stc=1 Yeah baby:bananajump:

soofsayer
16th January 2016, 12:29 PM
This is just a bump to get more votes if you haven't already folks. :)

Stephen
16th January 2016, 08:46 PM
I think S1000RR.co.uk is a better domain name, I assume if you changed it over you would still keep s1000rrforum.co.uk and forward it to s1000rr.co.uk? If you do, it wont affect any members who already have a bookmark but new users would use the new, shorter and more memorable URL.

As for the logo, i don't see an issue with the current one?

Ant
16th January 2016, 09:02 PM
i used to work for a MINI tuning company that used a similar logo to the original cooper S and had the word MINI in the logo and company name

When BMW brought the rights to and intellectual property of MINI from Rover and consequently brought out the BMW MINI they sent letters to everyone and anyone using logos or the word MINI in the title of there business with a cease and desist enforcement.

the company i worked for and a few of the other larger MINI specialists had the money/insurance to fight this and won but a large number of smaller outlets and users were forced to make changes or face prosecution.

i'm not suggesting that this will happen in this case of course but there is history of it with BMW!

this is just a FYI really, seems relevant looking at the OP points

simonb
16th January 2016, 10:01 PM
I would change the domain and logo. Domain is not overly important as mentioned previous but to expand into merchandise and hopefully new stickers it would be easier to promote the s1000rr.co.uk brand.

Cheers

turtle
17th January 2016, 08:45 AM
How about changing the domain to

s1000rr .uk

s1000rrforum.uk

so dropping the Co as the for has the rights to the new UK domain names ???

And link the others across ☺☺☺

soofsayer
17th January 2016, 11:37 AM
How about changing the domain to

s1000rr .uk

s1000rrforum.uk

so dropping the Co as the for has the rights to the new UK domain names ???

And link the others across ☺☺☺

No harm having them so now we do! :).